Toyota’s 086A (Still With A Boxer Heart)

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In a press interview at the Tokyo Auto Salon last month, the next President of Toyota Motor Co. Akio Toyoda was asked many questions about where Toyota was heading and also one question which might be of particular interest to Japanese sports car enthusiasts. “How’s the development coming along regarding the sports car jointly developed with Subaru?” His reply to the question was answered fairly assuredly in 3 parts.

The car has been codenamed internally as 086A, an obvious homage to the legendary AE86 Corolla.

Project Moving Ahead

Despite some reports to the contrary, the Toyota/Subaru compact FR sports car was not cancelled (even partially) and will continue to go ahead. It is seen as a vital part of Toyota’s “rejuvenation” efforts and reflects the company’s desire to develop a car that appeals to the younger generation of car enthusiasts. Having a FR sports car at the entry level end of the market is Toyota’s way of cementing its image as an rejuvenated car company and will surely dominate the segment as its competitors struggle to keep up.

Codename: “086A”, Delayed Production

Development of the body and chassis is complete and we’re told the development code for the new FR sports car is “086A”. The numerals “86″ should make fans of the now legendary AE86 Sprinter Trueno/Corolla Levin happy as it’s rumored that the numbers will be carried over as the chassis designation. It was thought that the freeze put on construction of the new Subaru factory slated to produce the Toyota/Subaru sports car was the main reason for delays in production, but this is actually in no way related and the real reason for the delay.  Production will be postponed for several months so that D-4S direct injection can be applied to the flat-4 boxer engine. Production will now be postponed until March 2012.

Price Unchanged

Akio Toyoda also confirmed that the price of the Toyota/Subaru compact sports car is still 2,000,000 yen and that there will be no changes to the original plan to build an affordable entry-level sports car. The car is seen to be a formidable model when it joins Toyota’s line up as it will surely push the boundaries of a market segment occupied by front wheel drive compact cars.

Across the internet people are still skeptical of the car ever seeing the end of a production line. Montreal commenter Lohik23 had this to say:

If they release a car that looks like that, it’ll be the end of the world.  Why? Because Toyota will have released a car that is beautiful, fast, rear wheel drive and just generally appealing to young people. It’s seems like this goes against everything Toyota now stands for.

Unfortunately this seems to be the case. The coolest ‘youth focused’ car Toyota has made in the last 10 years is the Toyota bB/Scion xB, and they didn’t bother shipping it anywhere but Japan and the USA.  Seriously Toyota, the younger buyers want to buy a cool car from your company. Make it safe and fun with all the newest features and im sure you will earn another generation of brand-loyal drivers for decades to come. Just take the AE86 as an example….. so yes, we WANT the 086A, but please please PLEASE drop the boxer engine… If you are truly trying to make the venerable hachiroku’s little brother, why not be true to it’s winning engineering feat, the 4A-GE.

Thanks to Justin Karow from 7TUNE for most of the info. The boys over there have just re-designed their blog so be sure to check their fresh new threads out!

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20 Responses to Toyota’s 086A (Still With A Boxer Heart)

  1. Conrad says:

    OMG this is going to be madddd if they do make it.

  2. Kid Karola says:

    Yes! that sketch looks alot better then some of earlier renditions that were floating around. Reminds me of when there was talk of a 2-door Altezza a while ago.
    Trusty 4AGE would be cool for heritage, but it’s already a 20 y.o. base, maybe a new generation 3SGE? Guess the boxer comes mainly from the Subaru partnership. But if this is definitely going ahead – I’d put down a deposit on one today!

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  4. Beau says:

    Comment 3.

    In English! you know i dont speak spanish! Come again? What… you ate a whole wheel of cheese? and.. and you popped in the refrigerator? No im not even mad.. im impressed.. How’d you even do that? Thats Amazing!

  5. Richard says:

    actually like a newly made gold top 4age 20v with like 120kw atw would be awesome therefore easyier drop in the ae86 maybe? itll be cool but these days the sleeker round shape looks like crap to me. maybe a more square tougher look. also how heavy is this thing and the size judging by the pic it could be up against some holden sadan. over 2t aint nibble and easy to throw around like the lucious AE86. u know wat they say about big cars, small …..!

  6. adam says:

    i think almost all enthusiast who want this to happen want the boxer engine dumped.
    the other problem toyota has is that it doesnt have a 4cyl RWD bar the hilux 3R engines.
    they wont use the beams motor as it wont pass emissions, and probably wont make a new engine as it will cost to much money.

    toyota’s best plan of attack would be to use the 2.5 V6 or 3.5 V6 from the IS250. they’re already set up for RWD and would make a ship load of power IF the new 086A body is light enough.
    if its priced in the 30-40k range, they will sell like hot cakes!! if they keep the current design which looks fantastic, it will be the only japanese medium sized coupe in the market. even though the S15 is long gone there is still a massive following for them.

  7. E man says:

    Needs to look more retro

  8. JC says:

    I would buy one :-)

    hopefully it’ll be a nice high rev NA 2ltr engine with all the fruit, ITB’s, vvt, high comp etc, 6 speed box and RWD.

    PLEASE no limp dik 1.5 econo engine :-(

  9. youngy says:

    2012!

    I’ll be able to afford a 2009 GTR by then…………….hhahahah

  10. newbeenew says:

    The most interesting fact that today, i see same article:).
    Although I do not remember there may be a link to the source,
    but probably not – but your site look solid.

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  12. Jose says:

    Im looking for a specs of 4AGE 20 V gold top…. its better than black top 20 valves? what is the difference

  13. Adrian says:

    For everyone wishing for a 4AGE-or-similar engine, come on.

    Do you honestly believe Toyota would put a 25 year old engine in a car like this just to please a few of us fanboys? Don’t get me wrong, I love my little 4AGE and i’m an 86 owner myself. But the fact that Toyota are even doing something like this at all is spectacular. You have to remember that Toyota are still trying to make money off this venture; they’re not just trying to be “nostaligic”… And if Toyota are going to choose another car company to work with, I’m pretty damn pleased it’s Subaru and not… well PONTIAC (ie vibe/matrix)… The only thing i’m a little disappointed in is the price. At 20k i’m better off sticking with a real AE86.

  14. adam says:

    no we’re not expecting it to be fitted with a 4age.
    we want something similar to a the original AE86 and 4age engine. that being a RWD light-ish, nimble, revvy engine (like a beams 3sge) and 2 doors.

    the fact that toyota is considering an “AE86” type car means that for once they might be listening to what people want instead of telling them what to buy.

  15. KP60 says:

    @ adam

    They mentioned they want to sell it to a younger generation…
    Those engines you mentioned are not quite affordable to have in your “budget” sportscar

  16. adam says:

    this is true, it was just an example really.

    there are a heap of better engines in toyotas range (the camry 2.4 springs to mind) that would be a suitable basis for the new AE86.

  17. Kaye says:

    For me, the Toyota Corolla has the best features, styling and bang for the back sedan.

  18. ROS AE86 says:

    The motor choice is so that it will aid handling. A flat 4 lowers the center of gravity as well as centering the weight further behind the wheels. It is the best setup for a car designed around handling.

    HOWEVER when it comes to modifying there is a lot of stuff to work around. I wish they would put in a straight four with a mild turbo to compete with the Genesis coupe and take 4 cylinders off the V10 in the Lexus LFA and make 2.9 liter V6 with a stratospheric redline. That is what kills me about Toyota. They were building screaming little 4 cylinders that would rev all day. In my AE86 it pulls 4K at 70 mph and it still gets 30mpg. I also have 08 xB and the 2.4 liter has great torque but I would much rather have 1.6 or 1.8 that had some more revs to it. More guts!!! Toyota has lost their “jewels” and have killed the image that made them so successful.

    I just want a basic front engine rwd car that has nice gas sipper 1.6 that is light weight and comes with just the essentials. Something that responds well to modifications and is a blast to drive out of the box. It does not have to look all speed racer. This is a simple and afforable design and how many buyers out there are there that would jump on this???

    Formula:
    1.6 liter with at least 160hp and 8k redline
    front engine rwd
    less then 2400 lbs
    coupe and hatchback designs
    5speed
    lsd
    adequate 4 wheel disc brakes
    no powering steering!!! (or option)
    moderate design but nothing to dramatic
    Under 18K!!!

    To me Toyota is trying to taylor make a car for multiple markets and that is great if they can do that. However the problem is that they may miss all the markets instead of hitting them.

  19. ROS AE86 says:

    Oh the problem I have with Toyota is that all the new cars are designed to compete with GM, Ford, and Dodge. They are not trying to build what they like but cross engineer with mulitple car makes and the consumer is the one having to pay. The 2.4 from the Camry has great Torque but after 4500 it falls flat. I am sure they can fix this but I would much rather have revs and mild hp then displacement and torque.

    I also hope they don’t give the goods to Japan and leave the US market hanging like they have known to do as well. Both the 20V motors never made it here (unless you imported) as well as the SP GZE. Also the 7AFTE that was put in the Corolla in Australia never made it here as well.

    The consumer is having to pay for the big SUV’s out on the streets. Look at weight of cars from the mid 80’s and compare that to modern cars weight. The Mini weighs 2500 lbs and some of the newest models weigh as much 3000lbs. Nothing Mini about that but the manufacturer has to build a car that can sustain an impact from a 5500lb SUV. This is also another reason why the motors are changing to something with more torque. Imagine how much sportier a Mini would be if it weighed in at 1900lbs which is realistic fo a car that sized. I remember not to long ago in Import Tuner they stripped unecessary weight from Integra and the car’s performance increased from 15.9 1/4 to a 14.2 and gas mileage went up from 31mpg to 39 mpg. All over 400lbs of weight.

    Sorry for the rant. :^)

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